Johan Bruyneel and Spencer Martin discuss a few takeaways from Johan's trip to Spain's Costa Blanca, where he got an up-close-and-personal look at UAE's pre-season training camp, including a ride with Tadej Pogačar, before debating the pros and cons of the far more intense pre-season training techniques modern riders implement. To finish things off, they give their initial opinions on the just-released 2025 Vuelta a España route before getting into listener questions.